It was a reply to a previous comment by another American friend of mine, who unfortunately resists the temptation to comment any more.
Panda.
Regarding a couple of your points :
"But as your child grows you realise that you can not bail them out every time they get in trouble that they must learn to do it them selves or suffer the consequence. Same is true of God the Father, sometimes even though we pray and ask, the predestination is for us to suffer."
It's fine for you to praise the work of God in your little ivory tower and ponder his mysterious ways but give a thought to the reality of life out there.
Because, oh, if only God WAS that reliable to protect us until we reach an age where we could indeed stand on our own two feet. But every day (amongst other daily atrocities), your God watches paedophiles abusing children, children dying from starvation, hospital wards with diseased and dying youngsters, etc but he does .... nothing!
So he foresees the moment of horror, witnesses it in real time too and yet, in most cases, brings no relief to the suffering. Predestination? Sounds pretty tough that he has predestined this.
How can you possibly praise a god for his great works when he shows no compassion to those who are in no position to accept or reject god? How can he possibly be expected to be glorified when he his heinous crimes scream out over the pages of the Bible and across the timeline of human history?
"Why are atheists so obsessed with proving that God doesn't exist anyways?"
Because if I can prove to people that God is unlikely to exist in the format that humans attribute to him, we will keep religion out of our government, schools and other areas of life that have no place to be infiltrated by followers of myths.
I was a fervent Christian for many years and I panicked at the thought of questioning the bible and his word. But actions speak louder than words and, to be blunt, God was found severely wanting on 'action'.
Kind regards.
@TastesLikeYou
p.s I must add, that his choice to ignore the pleas of the innocent are backed up in the bible :
"Job 9:23 When a scourge brings sudden death, he mocks the despair of the innocent."
Perhaps he is just plain nasty after all.
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On that last comment about the god of the Bible, especially the malignant thug of the Old Testament, being nasty, it sometimes seems to me that the earlier books of the OT contain strong echoes of a specifically evil god, as though they were originally ABOUT an evil god.
It was a major strand of Gnosticism, which pre-dates Christianity, that 'reality' is a Satanic creation designed to mislead us away from the wholly spiritual God. Gnosis was knowledge (of the true path back to this spiritual realm).
In some later descendants of Gnosticism, like the Cathars or Albigensians, Jesus, and John the Baptist were regarded as Gnostic teachers - an idea supported apparently by the suppressed 'Gospel of Judas' (hence also the domonisation of Judas).
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